A 12 mph speed limit?

I could just have well have said bank, dry cleaner, pharmacy, liquor store, office supply store, barber, post office, library, etc.

Of course, but the grocery dilemma is the best example regarding the generation of traffic, because it's the one thing one needs quite certainly always, and hence it forces you to leave the house basically daily.
 
Of course, but the grocery dilemma is the best example regarding the generation of traffic, because it's the one thing one needs quite certainly always, and hence it forces you to leave the house basically daily.
Sorry, but I only go to grocery once a week or so.

I think the best example regarding generation of traffic is going to work (and back), which a significant number of people do at least five days a week whether they want to or not.
 
Sorry, but I only go to grocery once a week or so.

Once a week? I suppose, you don't have children, who demand five freshly prepared meals every day?


I think the best example regarding generation of traffic is going to work (and back), which a significant number of people do at least five days a week whether they want to or not.

I do know :)

When I was detailing your «grocery» example, I was aware that many people don't have the privilege to work on their own property.
 
Once a week? I suppose, you don't have children, who demand five freshly prepared meals every day?

None of my children appear to have any opinion on whether unprepared food should be stored at the grocer or at home. My preference for fresh fruit and vegetables might have me go to the supermarket more often while in town (usually every other day) - but that is my choice, and no necessity, and in the country (where cycling to the supermarket is a 8km round trip, 300m uphill on the way back) I usually make do with once or twice a week.
 
None of my children appear to have any opinion on whether unprepared food should be stored at the grocer or at home. My preference for fresh fruit and vegetables might have me go to the supermarket more often while in town (usually every other day) - but that is my choice, and no necessity, and in the country (where cycling to the supermarket is a 8km round trip, 300m uphill on the way back) I usually make do with once or twice a week.

Dear sevo, I guess your (or my) example is for many a surprise, since the majority of the US American audience is completely unfamiliar with actually going (walking) to a supermarket.
 
Once a week? I suppose, you don't have children, who demand five freshly prepared meals every day?
If you have a car, you can easily fit a week's worth of groceries in the back seat or trunk. I also have a refrigerator, which keeps produce fresh for a week. Why waste time and gas going back and forth to the grocery every day? Children demand? Really? Five meals a day? Really? When do you have time for photography? (Just to get us back on track.)
 
Dear sevo, I guess your (or my) example is for many a surprise, since the majority of the US American audience is completely unfamiliar with actually going (walking) to a supermarket.

But that is a artefact of the current lifestyle - there is no compelling reason why there should not be grocers in mid distance, nor why delivery services should not take over even more.
 
If you have a car, you can easily fit a week's worth of groceries in the back seat or trunk. I also have a refrigerator, which keeps produce fresh for a week. Why waste time and gas going back and forth to the grocery every day? Children demand? Really? Five meals a day? Really? When do you have time for photography? (Just to get us back on track.)

:D Basically always, at least one of my children, but more often two or even three, join me when I do groceries, both when walking, and by car (hence the back seat isn't a good place for groceries); and the very short intervals are to an extent caused by the fact that my children may have a very bad behaviour (at home), but they're particularly strong and beautiful, and admittedly I love to show them off ;)


But that is a artefact of the current lifestyle - there is no compelling reason why there should not be grocers in mid distance, nor why delivery services should not take over even more.

But what is «mid distance»? A Luxembourgian, a Swiss, an Italian will give you completely different answers than a Florida resident, let alone an Australian!
 
Well....I think that there is some consensus of a "need" to consider a multiplicity of factors affecting people's lives, hence the focus on transportation. But this long discussion provides evidence of the complexity involved.

Although sometimes appearing as a "crisis", governmental solutions demanded, and often on a large scale. Apparently, there are many folks out there that didn't get the memo about central planning of economies and societal relationships. How about we let the various jurisdictions figure out what might work best and try things out? the rest of us can grumble about the freeway gridlock in Southern California where the average speed may be approaching 12 mph most of the day, despite 14 lanes and diamond lanes. Or where traffic is snarled for decades while undergounds are being built. Perhaps we need a 100 billion dollar (conservative) bullet train from Bakersfield to Fresno?

Uber is already running red lights with driverless cars in San Francisco and defying DMV orders to halt operations. "progress" not easily controlled. I am hoping that when I become to old or incapacitated to drive, that robocars will be one solution to getting around. Also, I will be able to take photographs with the windows rolled down.
 
Well....I think that there is some consensus of a "need" to consider a multiplicity of factors affecting people's lives, hence the focus on transportation. But this long discussion provides evidence of the complexity involved. . .. Perhaps we need a 100 billion dollar (conservative) bullet train from Bakersfield to Fresno? .. .
Complexity: exactly. Simplistic, short-termist, unimaginative solutions cannot work in the long term(20+ years).

But nah, although I know what you meant, surely we need (socialist) not (conservative) bullet trains...

Cheers,

R.
 
Complexity: exactly. Simplistic, short-termist, unimaginative solutions cannot work in the long term(20+ years).

But nah, although I know what you meant, surely we need (socialist) not (conservative) bullet trains...

Cheers,

R.

High Speed Railroad solutions, Spain boasts a really extensive network, yet the planning leaves a lot to desire in many cases. A missed opportunity.

I stumbled upon the following study a while ago, and found interesting. I am living outside of Barcelona's greater area, where rural towns became a kind of suburb and balancing the older tighter knit model of walk+horse distances.

Infographic: http://www.bain.com/infographics/spatial-economics/
Study:
http://www.bain.com/publications/articles/spatial-economics-the-declining-cost-of-distance.aspx
 
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