michaelwj
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A simple question, with the release of the T, can and do Leica need to keep the X series alive? They seem a bit redundant now, especially the Vario once street prices stabilise. I think the X2 is probably safer due the cost of the 23 'cron, but why would you buy the X-Vario over the T with the kit zoom?
Thoughts?
Michael
Thoughts?
Michael
NicoM
Well-known
The Vario was just plain silly in my opinion. I'm sure they were just hoping to sell a few because of the Leica name. It had no appeal! The X2 on the other had has one advantage - The price.
DougFord
on the good foot
My vote is that the x vario is the odd man out.
Refresh the fixed lens x2, T design aesthetic and UI.
Refresh the fixed lens x2, T design aesthetic and UI.
sanmich
Mentor
TX kills both.
(honestly, sorry, I couldn't resist
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(honestly, sorry, I couldn't resist
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Most likely the X series is done... then again, it is a different price point.
Peter_S
Peter_S
Hope not. My (modified) X2 is the best Leica I have used (ergonomics, reliability, IQ), and I think the X series had good potential for improvements and other models. The lack of firmware updates to fix some rather obvious weaknesses makes one wonder, however. Who knows. But since we have more choices than ever, it does not matter, really.
funkydog
Well-known
What mods did you give it?
Peter_S
Peter_S
AA filter removal.
robert blu
quiet photographer
@Peter S: good photos in your LFI link, I like very much the "On the Road in Georgia (Caucasus)" one!
robert
robert
robert blu
quiet photographer
As an x1 user I'm a little "confused" by the evolution of the x series. I would like a more flexible x1 but do not find the x-vario is worthwhile to upgrade. The T could be interesting (I already own both a 35 and a 50 cron) which added to the 23 could be an ideal set of lenses (35-50-75 equiv.). But the additional VF and the adapter bring the cost to an higher level. Beside the cost I would like to have one in my hands in order to evaluate how do I react to this interface...
robert
robert
rfaspen
[insert pithy phrase here]
I'm attracted to the X2 as a snapshot/P+S style shooter. The X-Vario has had me scratching my head ever since the over-hyped unveiling. Still scratching my head.... If the X-Vario fades away, I won't notice. The X2, or similar styled/performance camera would remain in my sights.
If the T goes FF and M lens-capable, everything changes.
If the T goes FF and M lens-capable, everything changes.
burancap
Mentor
Yes and no.
Yes to the Vario.
No to the X1/2. These and the T are different cameras at different price points. There should be an X3!
Yes to the Vario.
No to the X1/2. These and the T are different cameras at different price points. There should be an X3!
noisycheese
Normal(ish) Human
What Nico said.
My reaction to the XVario was along the lines of WTF?? It left me cold.
The T is (IMHO) the camera that the XV should have been to begin with.
The X2 should be in the lineup for a long time - it is a great entry level camera for enthusiasts and a viable back-up to the M240, M Monochrom - as well as the MP and M7 .
Things would get REALLY interesting if Leica would give us a monochrome version of the X2 or a monochrome version of the T camera...
ktmrider
Well-known
In my opinion, the Fuji X100/100S pretty much killed the X series. Why pay Leica prices for a camera that does less then the X100/S for $700 or so less. And you get an optical finder.
enasniearth
Well-known
I have used both ,
The fuji was a loaner , it was ok
I sold the x1 I had.
Now the x2 is the only one left .
You can not tell it is a Leica as all the red dot stuff is taped over .
Is it perfect ? / no
I really like this camera in spite of everyone pointing out its faults
the lens is great ,the files right out of the camera print nicely .
I did buy it used - so it was less than the 100s .
Leica0Series
Well-known
I dragged my silly, head-scratching X Vario around on a Sunday bike ride. Although I burned with shame each time I took it out, I got some keepers.
But really, the X Vario has one advantage over either the X2 or the T; its manual focusing is very easy. No need to throw a switch, you just turn the ring on the lens the same way the old Digilux 2 used to work. And the focusing ring is closer to the body, which for me makes it easier to use. The focus rings for the T lenses will be further away from the body; quite a bit further a way in the case of the 80-200 equivalent.
Fishing by Bsivad, on Flickr
But really, the X Vario has one advantage over either the X2 or the T; its manual focusing is very easy. No need to throw a switch, you just turn the ring on the lens the same way the old Digilux 2 used to work. And the focusing ring is closer to the body, which for me makes it easier to use. The focus rings for the T lenses will be further away from the body; quite a bit further a way in the case of the 80-200 equivalent.
Fishing by Bsivad, on Flickr
Godfrey
somewhat colored
I have no idea what Leica's plans are.
For me, if I contemplate buying a T, it is because it obviates my having both the X2 and the M9.
- The X2 because the T with 23/2 and Visoflex is pretty much the same darn thing.
- The M9 because, well, the role of the M9 in my kit (Leica lenses on a full frame sensor) has been pretty much eclipsed by the Sony A7 with Leica R lenses for me.
The simplicity and sparseness of the T design appeals to me. Its automation and control design distills the control needs to just the essentials, which is one of the things I enjoy with other cameras like the Polaroid SX-70. There are times when that's just what I'm looking for, one of the reasons I enjoy picking up the SX-70 as well.
G
For me, if I contemplate buying a T, it is because it obviates my having both the X2 and the M9.
- The X2 because the T with 23/2 and Visoflex is pretty much the same darn thing.
- The M9 because, well, the role of the M9 in my kit (Leica lenses on a full frame sensor) has been pretty much eclipsed by the Sony A7 with Leica R lenses for me.
The simplicity and sparseness of the T design appeals to me. Its automation and control design distills the control needs to just the essentials, which is one of the things I enjoy with other cameras like the Polaroid SX-70. There are times when that's just what I'm looking for, one of the reasons I enjoy picking up the SX-70 as well.
G
thegman
Mentor
Personally I think the X (Vario, X1, X2) series are by far better looking than the T series. I'm not fussed about faster lenses either, so I'd probably rather an X Vario. Whether it'll remain on the market, who knows?
This was my feeling as well... I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that the T would reduce the market for X models. And drop the prices of used X cameras. My reaction to that possibility was to consider a used X2 more favorably. I already have the EVF for it, Olympus branded. AF would be nice, and the lens is a good all-rounder.
On the other hand, the M8 can serve the purpose pretty well too, though a bit larger and manual focus.
Waku
Member
Nope, different tools for different needs
The T nor the XVario are as good complement as my X2 to my M9+lenses, none of them has that "pocketability" factor.
The XVario is still a valid allround camera on its own.
The T nor the XVario are as good complement as my X2 to my M9+lenses, none of them has that "pocketability" factor.
The XVario is still a valid allround camera on its own.