Larry Cloetta
Mentor
“That is an an utterly absurd statement.
Show Russians the actual images of what Putin has done in Ukraine and where he has done it, then let them decide...
Chris”
Or, instead of all the shouting and virtue signaling, maybe someone who is interested in the truth in its fullness might watch this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kIuFdMqWfzA&t=1677s
and then ask themselves why we have been confronted daily in Western media with horrific pictures of dead children in western Ukraine this month, and no one in the West was ever shown these pictures of any of the 14,000 dead, including equally horrific photos of dead Ukrainians from eastern Ukraine which resulted from the shelling of residential areas over the last 8 years, by first the Poroshenko government and then the Zelensky government of Ukraine. Simply because those dead children were ethnically Russian. This video was on youtube for years and no one watched it. It had five million views this month, and was readily accessible, until youtube slapped an age restriction on it a few days ago, because it presents facts inconvenient to the Western narrative.
“The western narrative” also smooths over the fact that the Maidan revolution was a coup, in exactly the same way that popular governments in Chile, Nicaragua, and el Salvador were overthrown by the U.S. in exactly the same way, and for the same reasons, to serve American ends. The same people who have always understood the American involvement in those other coups, and railed against them, somehow refuse to acknowledge that the exact same thing happened in Ukraine in 2014, for exactly the same reasons. The knee jerk reaction of most people here is to just yell at me, but I’d suggest that that energy would be better spent in doing some honest research, though censorship of honest past reporting has deleted a lot of fact based investigative journalism from what’s left of the internet, the parts that Americans have not been recently blocked from seeing.
Anyone open minded and curious as to the nature of global realities would do well to spend 30 minutes watching Putin’s iconic Munich from 15 yers ago where he addressed the dangers inherent in a unipolar world. It’s sober, well reasoned, accurate, and obviously not the thinking of a “madman”. I’d post a link, to the Youtube video, where it has remained for the last 15 years, but
youtube has made it disappear this week. It’s hysterical, the hypocrisy here in the West, all the screaming about freedom and democracy, when we have gone full bore against the ability of our citizens to access any information which might, simply by its honesty, undermine the entire Western project of the Two Minute Hate against Russia. Sober people would have been given much to think about after listening to that speech with an open mind, but since Big Tech has decided we re not mature enough to make up our minds for ourselves, we can still see ineffective bits of it on that internet outcast, Rumble: https://rumble.com/vupxrc-15-years-...-at-munich-security-conference.-why-it-i.html
Why was the West so insistent, to the point of belligerence, that NATO be brought right up to the Russian border? Honest people might ask that. That is, if there were a substantial number of honest people left in this country, who asked those sorts of questions, and expected an honest answer. Why was NATO formed? To kill Soviets, as a counterweight to the Warsaw Pact, which existed to kill capitalists. The Warsaw Pact was dissolved. Why not NATO? NATO exists at this point to serve largely American interests, which are anti-Russian, as if the Soviet Union had not disappeared and been replaced by nearly its opposite. If U.S./NATO is not anti-Russian, why was Russia not allowed to join when it asked? NATO is not “defensive” in nature as apologists claim, as seen by the unprovoked NATO attacks on Serbia and Libya, neither of which had attacked NATO nations. NATO has come to be nothing more than a battering ram used by the dominant power in the unipolar world which came to be after 1991, a unipolar world which is in something of an existential crisis itself, and which has just driven Russia into the arms of the Chinese, something which was not only never inevitable, but will likely be seen in the future to be the acceleration of the dedollarization of the world, and probably the most grievous and profoundly stupid mistake in the history of the U.S. State department.
Here, as in almost every western media report and editorial I have seen in the last three weeks, the essential fact is never mentioned. People should read for themselves the proposal that Russia made to the U.S. and the West generally, in December, January, and February. . It was pure diplomacy on their part, in which they asked for nothing that should not have been granted them. Just read it. None of the talking heads will ever tell people what was in it, because it destroys the narrative of the U.S. State Department which has been parroted by western media and subsidiary western governments across the globe, all falling into lockstep behind the U.S. The only thing Russia was asking for was that the West live up to the promise that Bush Sr. had made to Gorbachev, when the Soviet Union was falling apart, at the urging of the West, into separate entities, one of which was the creation of “Ukraine” as distinct from its historical condition as “the Ukraine.” The West made a promise to Gorbachev and Russia that NATO would never encroach on any of these newly formed statelets, would never move up to Russia’s borders. “Not even an inch.” we said. Unfortunately, Russia never got this pledge in writing, and the West has been threatening Russia with gradual encirclement ever since. All Russia was asking for was that the Ukraine, which is a “nation” cobbled together after WWII, by the winning side, half Poland and half Russia. Like Yugoslavia, Iraq, and any number of states created by victors of wars, with no consideration for cultures or ethnicity, never be allowed to become a NATO state, with weapons meant to intimidate Russia, right on the Russian border. This was thus an existential crisis for Russia, and they made it very clear, diplomatically, for months, that the threat of creating a de facto enemy state on the Russian border, was a red line for Russia, and the Ukraine should be a militarily neutral state, not one weaponized against Russia. On top of that Ukraine has been violating the terms of the Minsk Accords for years, which also factors into the Russian calculus. Signing off on the diplomatic proposal presented to the U.S., which was both understandable, eminently reasonable, and of no cost to the U.S., was all that was necessary to end all this before it ever began. The U.S. must have thought that Russia was bluffing, or didn’t know what “red line” means in the adult world, so it was the intransigence of the U.S. more than anyone else, that kept pushing Russia into a corner. What we see now, which is not only bad, but was completely preventable, is 100% the fault of the U.S. and it’s decades long doctrine of Russian containment. The Russians do not bluff. They presented a peaceful alternative, over and over, for months, and it was rejected over and over. That is the fact that is never mentioned now. Until that fact becomes front in center of every daily discussion about the Ukraine, all those discussions will be fundamentally dishonest. And, I am fully aware that that dishonesty will not only continue, but be amplified by shouts that Putin is a madman, Putin is evil, and, as was expected, Putin is literally Hitler. He’s not, but like most older Russians, he understands Russian history. Russia has been attacked over and over and over again throughout history, from the west. France, Sweden, Germany, and on and on. The U.S. lost something less than 500,000 Americans in WWII. Russia, which was attacked, let’s not forget, by Germany, one of its allies, one of the same countries threatening Russia today, lost over 26,000,000 Russian citizens in the war, and suffered incalculable devastation to their homeland, a fact which remains very raw in Russian consciousness.They know how the world works, and it’s not how it promises to work. The fact that fatuous, gambling amateurs like Tony Blinken at the U.S. State department expect Russians to forget their history, and allow a NATO state to be placed on the Russian border, simply because the U.S. says so (after promising it would never do that), is historically tone deaf. The U.S. knew exactly what it had to do when the Russians put ICBMs in Cuba. Russia, then, had enough sense to back off, and nuclear war was averted. Today, the U.S., and Zelensky did not have the sense to back off, so Russia did what it seemingly had to do after pursuing diplomacy for months and being snubbed. It’s awful, but the fault lies with Zelensky and the U.S. and the rest of NATO who refused to do the right thing when repeatedly offered the chance. The blame for the devastation, and the devastation to come, lies there, not with Putin. I’m an American, and love my country, or used to, but the U.S. is so very much on the wrong side of this, as is the entire western media, and has Ukrainian blood on its hands today. Though like many wars to supposedly protect American interests, and “our values”, this one is being fought on someone else’s land.
So, yes, the West.
Show Russians the actual images of what Putin has done in Ukraine and where he has done it, then let them decide...
Chris”
Or, instead of all the shouting and virtue signaling, maybe someone who is interested in the truth in its fullness might watch this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kIuFdMqWfzA&t=1677s
and then ask themselves why we have been confronted daily in Western media with horrific pictures of dead children in western Ukraine this month, and no one in the West was ever shown these pictures of any of the 14,000 dead, including equally horrific photos of dead Ukrainians from eastern Ukraine which resulted from the shelling of residential areas over the last 8 years, by first the Poroshenko government and then the Zelensky government of Ukraine. Simply because those dead children were ethnically Russian. This video was on youtube for years and no one watched it. It had five million views this month, and was readily accessible, until youtube slapped an age restriction on it a few days ago, because it presents facts inconvenient to the Western narrative.
“The western narrative” also smooths over the fact that the Maidan revolution was a coup, in exactly the same way that popular governments in Chile, Nicaragua, and el Salvador were overthrown by the U.S. in exactly the same way, and for the same reasons, to serve American ends. The same people who have always understood the American involvement in those other coups, and railed against them, somehow refuse to acknowledge that the exact same thing happened in Ukraine in 2014, for exactly the same reasons. The knee jerk reaction of most people here is to just yell at me, but I’d suggest that that energy would be better spent in doing some honest research, though censorship of honest past reporting has deleted a lot of fact based investigative journalism from what’s left of the internet, the parts that Americans have not been recently blocked from seeing.
Anyone open minded and curious as to the nature of global realities would do well to spend 30 minutes watching Putin’s iconic Munich from 15 yers ago where he addressed the dangers inherent in a unipolar world. It’s sober, well reasoned, accurate, and obviously not the thinking of a “madman”. I’d post a link, to the Youtube video, where it has remained for the last 15 years, but
youtube has made it disappear this week. It’s hysterical, the hypocrisy here in the West, all the screaming about freedom and democracy, when we have gone full bore against the ability of our citizens to access any information which might, simply by its honesty, undermine the entire Western project of the Two Minute Hate against Russia. Sober people would have been given much to think about after listening to that speech with an open mind, but since Big Tech has decided we re not mature enough to make up our minds for ourselves, we can still see ineffective bits of it on that internet outcast, Rumble: https://rumble.com/vupxrc-15-years-...-at-munich-security-conference.-why-it-i.html
Why was the West so insistent, to the point of belligerence, that NATO be brought right up to the Russian border? Honest people might ask that. That is, if there were a substantial number of honest people left in this country, who asked those sorts of questions, and expected an honest answer. Why was NATO formed? To kill Soviets, as a counterweight to the Warsaw Pact, which existed to kill capitalists. The Warsaw Pact was dissolved. Why not NATO? NATO exists at this point to serve largely American interests, which are anti-Russian, as if the Soviet Union had not disappeared and been replaced by nearly its opposite. If U.S./NATO is not anti-Russian, why was Russia not allowed to join when it asked? NATO is not “defensive” in nature as apologists claim, as seen by the unprovoked NATO attacks on Serbia and Libya, neither of which had attacked NATO nations. NATO has come to be nothing more than a battering ram used by the dominant power in the unipolar world which came to be after 1991, a unipolar world which is in something of an existential crisis itself, and which has just driven Russia into the arms of the Chinese, something which was not only never inevitable, but will likely be seen in the future to be the acceleration of the dedollarization of the world, and probably the most grievous and profoundly stupid mistake in the history of the U.S. State department.
Here, as in almost every western media report and editorial I have seen in the last three weeks, the essential fact is never mentioned. People should read for themselves the proposal that Russia made to the U.S. and the West generally, in December, January, and February. . It was pure diplomacy on their part, in which they asked for nothing that should not have been granted them. Just read it. None of the talking heads will ever tell people what was in it, because it destroys the narrative of the U.S. State Department which has been parroted by western media and subsidiary western governments across the globe, all falling into lockstep behind the U.S. The only thing Russia was asking for was that the West live up to the promise that Bush Sr. had made to Gorbachev, when the Soviet Union was falling apart, at the urging of the West, into separate entities, one of which was the creation of “Ukraine” as distinct from its historical condition as “the Ukraine.” The West made a promise to Gorbachev and Russia that NATO would never encroach on any of these newly formed statelets, would never move up to Russia’s borders. “Not even an inch.” we said. Unfortunately, Russia never got this pledge in writing, and the West has been threatening Russia with gradual encirclement ever since. All Russia was asking for was that the Ukraine, which is a “nation” cobbled together after WWII, by the winning side, half Poland and half Russia. Like Yugoslavia, Iraq, and any number of states created by victors of wars, with no consideration for cultures or ethnicity, never be allowed to become a NATO state, with weapons meant to intimidate Russia, right on the Russian border. This was thus an existential crisis for Russia, and they made it very clear, diplomatically, for months, that the threat of creating a de facto enemy state on the Russian border, was a red line for Russia, and the Ukraine should be a militarily neutral state, not one weaponized against Russia. On top of that Ukraine has been violating the terms of the Minsk Accords for years, which also factors into the Russian calculus. Signing off on the diplomatic proposal presented to the U.S., which was both understandable, eminently reasonable, and of no cost to the U.S., was all that was necessary to end all this before it ever began. The U.S. must have thought that Russia was bluffing, or didn’t know what “red line” means in the adult world, so it was the intransigence of the U.S. more than anyone else, that kept pushing Russia into a corner. What we see now, which is not only bad, but was completely preventable, is 100% the fault of the U.S. and it’s decades long doctrine of Russian containment. The Russians do not bluff. They presented a peaceful alternative, over and over, for months, and it was rejected over and over. That is the fact that is never mentioned now. Until that fact becomes front in center of every daily discussion about the Ukraine, all those discussions will be fundamentally dishonest. And, I am fully aware that that dishonesty will not only continue, but be amplified by shouts that Putin is a madman, Putin is evil, and, as was expected, Putin is literally Hitler. He’s not, but like most older Russians, he understands Russian history. Russia has been attacked over and over and over again throughout history, from the west. France, Sweden, Germany, and on and on. The U.S. lost something less than 500,000 Americans in WWII. Russia, which was attacked, let’s not forget, by Germany, one of its allies, one of the same countries threatening Russia today, lost over 26,000,000 Russian citizens in the war, and suffered incalculable devastation to their homeland, a fact which remains very raw in Russian consciousness.They know how the world works, and it’s not how it promises to work. The fact that fatuous, gambling amateurs like Tony Blinken at the U.S. State department expect Russians to forget their history, and allow a NATO state to be placed on the Russian border, simply because the U.S. says so (after promising it would never do that), is historically tone deaf. The U.S. knew exactly what it had to do when the Russians put ICBMs in Cuba. Russia, then, had enough sense to back off, and nuclear war was averted. Today, the U.S., and Zelensky did not have the sense to back off, so Russia did what it seemingly had to do after pursuing diplomacy for months and being snubbed. It’s awful, but the fault lies with Zelensky and the U.S. and the rest of NATO who refused to do the right thing when repeatedly offered the chance. The blame for the devastation, and the devastation to come, lies there, not with Putin. I’m an American, and love my country, or used to, but the U.S. is so very much on the wrong side of this, as is the entire western media, and has Ukrainian blood on its hands today. Though like many wars to supposedly protect American interests, and “our values”, this one is being fought on someone else’s land.
So, yes, the West.
raid
Dad Photographer
We had a saying in Iraq about some FSU products sold in Iraq.
Everything heats up but not the iron.
Everything heats up but not the iron.
Retro-Grouch
Well-known
Thank you, Larry. Having lived through the Vietnam era, the Irag era, the Afghanistan era, etc. etc. and knowing the consistent set of self-serving lies that was fed to the American public by our "leaders", I've been most suspicious of the demonization of Russia and Putin that has been escalating into the present disaster. I'm no fan of Putin by any means, and I despise despots of any stripe (whether actual or wannabe on the home front), but I certainly don't buy the "madman" rhetoric (For a moment, we can put aside the obvious insanity of the threatened use, or, worse, the use of nuclear weapons by any leader, full stop). You have pointed me in the right direction to inform myself further, and that's a valuable service. Thank you!
ZivcoPhoto
Well-known
What Larry said is true. Nato has always been America’s proxy against Russia and former USSR. Larry and I are the same age and we have seen this throughout our lives. I have lived overseas most of the first 17 years of my life watching my father participate in operations directly carrying out this constant pressure by America / NATO to establish bases or listening posts as close to USSR as possible.
The images we see from Ukraine are truly heartbreaking, unforgivable, no question, but America/NATO has pushed Russia into a corner.
The Cuban missile crisis was one of the big events in my lifetime. In 1961 America put nuclear missiles in Turkey aimed at Moscow. So the next year USSR put missiles in Cuba, and my father sandbagged our basement windows in our house 5 miles from Andrews AFB and we had a stockpile of food because even he, being stationed at that base thought war was imminent, nuclear war. We all know that President Kennedy removed missiles from Turkey and USSR removed missiles from Cuba.
The Cold War has never ended and Ukraine unfortunately is the latest flash point. Many people have lost their lives since WWII in this COLD War which is being pursued by both sides.
The images we see from Ukraine are truly heartbreaking, unforgivable, no question, but America/NATO has pushed Russia into a corner.
The Cuban missile crisis was one of the big events in my lifetime. In 1961 America put nuclear missiles in Turkey aimed at Moscow. So the next year USSR put missiles in Cuba, and my father sandbagged our basement windows in our house 5 miles from Andrews AFB and we had a stockpile of food because even he, being stationed at that base thought war was imminent, nuclear war. We all know that President Kennedy removed missiles from Turkey and USSR removed missiles from Cuba.
The Cold War has never ended and Ukraine unfortunately is the latest flash point. Many people have lost their lives since WWII in this COLD War which is being pursued by both sides.
filmtwit
Desperate but not serious
Well, brining this back to photography it's now a Double Turnley war
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbDYIrNo_aC/
A little peice from CNN on Petere's work over the last few days
https://cnn.it/3w1nVWG
I'd note - that both are in late 60's now and turning out great work. Though I hope they come home soon, as do the Ukrainians here.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbDYIrNo_aC/
A little peice from CNN on Petere's work over the last few days
https://cnn.it/3w1nVWG
I'd note - that both are in late 60's now and turning out great work. Though I hope they come home soon, as do the Ukrainians here.
luuca
Well-known
thanks Larry, you gave me something to think about.
EDIT: that's not a good start for the mebius documentary...
https://www.stopfake.org/en/russia-...s-pose-as-journalists-in-war-against-ukraine/
EDIT: that's not a good start for the mebius documentary...
https://www.stopfake.org/en/russia-...s-pose-as-journalists-in-war-against-ukraine/
mapgraphs
Established
ChrisPlatt
Thread Killer
Putin's apologists seem to be coming out of the woodwork here at RFF. Glad to see you are showing yourselves.
Chris
Chris
Borge H
Established
No, it is not the EU, the media or photographers that are the problem. Old men in the Kremlin are the problem. Old men who miss the Soviet empire.
As I mentioned earlier, I live in Sweden. Russia and President Putin recently reiterated their threat that if we join NATO, Russia will take military action!
Opinion polls now show that Swedes are in favor of NATO membership. We see in Ukraine, not far from us, what happens to countries that lack strong friends who want to support them.
Photographers in Ukraine do an extremely important job. But the price is high. Yesterday, the photographer and filmmaker Brent Renaud was shot to death. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-Ukraine.html
Some pictures I have seen from Ukraine have burned into my eyes, including this one: https://i.internethaber.com/storage/...-eckl-kqqI.jpg. It is a whole family, mother and two children, who were killed by Russian grenades while trying to escape in a "safe way". The family's two terrier dogs were found next to their bodies. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-Irpin.html
War is madness! Ukraine must receive all our support.
One thing for sure- the Russian Army looks like they are run by a bunch of idiots.
Putin should remember Afghanistan, The Occupation will be more deadly than the invasion. That ended the USSR.
This war was caused by Putin invading Ukraine- Period. They will most likely win that war, lose the occupation, and have their economy ruined.
What will they call themselves next.
Putin should remember Afghanistan, The Occupation will be more deadly than the invasion. That ended the USSR.
This war was caused by Putin invading Ukraine- Period. They will most likely win that war, lose the occupation, and have their economy ruined.
What will they call themselves next.
valdas
Mentor
Has Putin or his troll farm highjacked some RFF profiles? I can’t believe what I see and how some people in US (???) believe all the fake narratives Kremlin has been telling. Why don’t you guys come to Eastern Europe or Nordics and spend some years without NATO protection and friendly regime in the east. I am sure they will be soon “protecting” and liberating you from Polish, Lithuanian, Swedish etc nazis like they “helped” in Moldova, Georgia, Syria, Chechnya etc.
There are some people in the US that are so stupid that they believe the US government was behind the 9/11 attack. And that the US government was behind the attack on Pearl Harbor. So stupid people have been around for a very long time.
SO- we have a lot of very stupid people here that look for conspiracy everywhere.
SO- we have a lot of very stupid people here that look for conspiracy everywhere.
luuca
Well-known
not only in US.
muser53
MUSER53
I'm going to hold my tongue (for the most part) regarding gear talk at the present time. It simply seems to miss the mark. For now I would recommend following any of the photojournalists covering this war of naked aggression. I'll say check out Peter Turnley's daily posts on Facebook and Lynsey Addario's coverage for the New York Times. There are many others who are taking great risks to be our eyes and ears. They all deserve our gratitude.
fireblade
Vincenzo.
Yesterday i had a good laugh at myself. I was filling my tank up and it came to $92. The previous fill was $49.....that made me laugh.
Why?...well they said...Lets put sanctions on Putin/Russia...I'm saying, OK, that's a start, a good thing.
But..here i am in Australia, a nobody paying nearly double for fuel because they put sanctions on Putin/Russia????
The joke is on me..the fool i am.
BTW, i paid $2.48 for 98ron.....For you guys in the States, that's $7.30 a gallon.
Why?...well they said...Lets put sanctions on Putin/Russia...I'm saying, OK, that's a start, a good thing.
But..here i am in Australia, a nobody paying nearly double for fuel because they put sanctions on Putin/Russia????
The joke is on me..the fool i am.
BTW, i paid $2.48 for 98ron.....For you guys in the States, that's $7.30 a gallon.
Erik van Straten
Mentor
gelatin silver print (summicron 50mm f2 rigid) leica m3
Belarus
Erik.
Belarus
Erik.
peterm1
Mentor
We should all stop the puerile habit of thinking in terms of "good guys and bad guys". (Thank you idiot half wit and panderer to the military industrial complex, George Dubya Bush who helped further embed this habit.) It is easy to manipulate people through their emotions as all good despots and demagogues know.
The truth is that in relation to this current conflict it is very difficult to find any good guys. Russia is at fault, Ukraine is at fault and USA is at fault. All are pushing their own vested interests and ordinary people are dying and otherwise paying the price in all of those countries and all over the world too - though fortunately in the latter case not necessarily in blood (yet).
Surely the best outcome and one the whole world would have supported would be if Ukraine were neutral and unaligned to either Russia or NATO and the USA.
Problem is none of the governments of the protagonists are behaving as if they want it.
Coldkennels
Barnack-toting Brit.
Trying to understand why Putin has done something doesn't make you a Putin apologist. There's absolutely no question that him sending troops into Ukraine - many of which are basically untrained, or were not briefed as to what they were actually doing, if the many, many videos of surrendering troops are to be believed - was both hideously stupid and inexcusable. But understanding how he got to that point, regardless of how uncomfortable the talk may be, has some value.
The best (and most nuanced) discussion of Putin's reasoning/motivation I've seen was from this (American) journalist:
For instance, I didn't know until I watched this that Putin has one Russian parent and one Ukrainian one. With that, his posturing about Ukraine basically being part of Russia makes sense: he's part Ukrainian himself. The two nations are inextricably linked within both his mind and body - so for NATO to be "pushing into" Ukraine is not just a political issue for him, it's personal.
Regardless, the more important question is what happens next; it seems inevitable that Putin will be deposed in one way or another, and you just have to hope that whoever replaces him has a bit more sense.
Honestly, you'd have thought that politicians in both the East and the West would have learned from the latter half of the 20th century that military brinksmanship doesn't get us anywhere. Marx was definitely right: history repeats itself; first as tragedy, second as farce.
The best (and most nuanced) discussion of Putin's reasoning/motivation I've seen was from this (American) journalist:
For instance, I didn't know until I watched this that Putin has one Russian parent and one Ukrainian one. With that, his posturing about Ukraine basically being part of Russia makes sense: he's part Ukrainian himself. The two nations are inextricably linked within both his mind and body - so for NATO to be "pushing into" Ukraine is not just a political issue for him, it's personal.
Regardless, the more important question is what happens next; it seems inevitable that Putin will be deposed in one way or another, and you just have to hope that whoever replaces him has a bit more sense.
Honestly, you'd have thought that politicians in both the East and the West would have learned from the latter half of the 20th century that military brinksmanship doesn't get us anywhere. Marx was definitely right: history repeats itself; first as tragedy, second as farce.
raid
Dad Photographer
gelatin silver print (summicron 50mm f2 rigid) leica m3
Belarus
Erik.
Thank you for taking this thread back to photography, Erik.
A beautiful image!
Peter Jennings
Well-known
Go here. You can spend a whole day watching the stuff on Putin and Russia and you'll understand the situation much better. It's as fair and balanced as anything. It beats being willfully misinformed.
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